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Why I Don't Like Feminists: the MLK Day Special

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Jan. 15th, 2007 | 08:40 am

I was asked to explain why I so dislike feminists. I actually wasn't going to post these thoughts at all, (which I mainly wrote as an exercise), just because I know it's only going to rattle cages. But then RAW died and I thought, Eh... wotthehell.

Don't worry; I don't expect to change anyone's mind. But I like to think things over and I know some of you do too. Hell, maybe you'll change my mind.

There are lots of people I like who I think erroneously cling to the "feminist" label, and it's the support of that label that I primarily object to. Labels are far more powerful than people seem to think. This may seem like an attack on individual feminists, but it's not meant to be. For one thing, I only dislike feminists when they're being feminists. Luckily, there aren't many opportunities to actively be a feminist anymore because "feminism" in present-day Western Civilization is almost dead. About all you can do as a feminist is complain or tell all your friends they're beautiful just the way they are... and both those things are totally insipid.


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Look, how's about I just go ahead and explain, shall I?

First: "Feminism" is a Meaningless Word.

Feminism has become hard to object to, because even if you simply say "I'm not a feminist," feminists will haul out their oblique dictionary definition to prove that actually, if you're a decent person, you are.

fem·i·nism (fĕm'ə-nĭz'əm)
n.

1. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
2. The movement organized around this belief.


In America, if you're an educated person, denying any belief with the word "equality" in it is the social equivalent of goose-stepping down 5th Avenue in a Klu Klux Klan robe. As a result, there are a lot of hunted-looking people out there wandering around going, "What? Yes! I'm a feminist... I guess..." Hard to get a lot of conviction out of these people, though, when you're not terrorizing them with social anxiety. You know why? Because as good as those words sound, they're functionally useless, and deep down we know it. What the hell is social equality, anyway? What is economic equality? Ask ten different people and you'll get ten different answers. But what really bothers me is that, even if we could come to a consensus about the meaning of these various forms of "equality", we would still be forced to believe in something that does not now and will never exist.

Humans just don't operate well on systems of equality. According to the U.S. Declaration of Independence, we hold these truth to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. Again, sounds good, but those words were written by a white male slave owner. Capitalism has consistently proven itself more functional, worldwide, than communism, because it's built on the presupposition of inequality. We're apes, and there will always be an alpha among apes. We will always desire a leader, always covet our neighbor's treasures, always strive for power over ourselves and our surroundings. That's because we're not all born exactly the same. Not everyone is beautiful just the way they are (in fact, most of us could really do with a wash every couple days). Not everyone is special and unique, usually because they don't want to be. They'd rather fit in socially. You can paint your world in mental colors of "equality" if you want to but:

A) You'll be wrong.
B) Your world will be boring, and
C) You'll be an insult to every single person who has ever tried to be better than the selfish, confused, paltry creatures human beings have perennially shown ourselves to be.

It's seems like it should be fine to believe in unattainable ideals. People inevitably believe in something, and it's nice to believe in things that give us hope. But hope isn't a real thing. I'll tell you what could be real, though: intellectual freedom, and that's what you get when you stop forcing people to believe in myths like "equality."

Second: Feminism has Become Self-Defeating.

Because it's almost impossible to rally the masses around the meaningless abstractions in "Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes," we have this t-shirt slogan instead:

Feminism is the radical notion that women are people too.


Again, how can you argue with such a basic and wholly self-defending statement? The sarcasm in "radical notion" off-sets the simple truth of "women are people too." Very effective. But it is in this phrase that I find the core of why I don't like feminists. I don't need or want a t-shirt to defend the idea that I am a person too. I don't want anyone to do that. I know I'm a person too. Anyone in Western Civilization who does not, by now, have the sense to assume that I'm person too, will probably not be persuaded by arguing, and those arguing on my behalf will come off as shrill and defensive. That embarrasses me. And if a group's fundamental philosophy is an embarrassment to the people it claims to represent, it is useless.

I might have a shred of respect for those t-shirts if they were written in Farsi. And being worn in Iran. That probably wouldn't last too long, though.

You're not going to change anyone's mind if they're so dumb or dogmatic that they don't already believe women are people too. You're just going to have to believe in yourself. And if you really believe in yourself, maybe you can help other women believe in themselves, as opposed to the imaginary power of some pointless group.

But why stop with women?

Third: Feminism Has Begun to Hinder the Development of Individuals and Society.

Once you strip away the bullshit surrounding definitions of feminism, I'll admit that you're still left with one genuinely decent slogan:

Feminism is about the right to make choices.


That's great. But, in its own way, so is the civil rights movement, which, despite a brief mingling period in the seventies, has historically distinguished itself from the feminist special interest groups. In fact, the civil rights movement fights for the rights of both men and women, of all races. But if you feel unwelcome in the civil rights movement, what about human rights? Social rights? It seems to me that you can easily support thoughtfulness and understanding without calling yourself a feminist.

Nevertheless, feminists continue to support their group label, and there are two good reasons: It's gained moral authority, and the clear backing of a social group, and those are powerful things.

Group labels give people de facto moral authority. Christians do the same thing among themselves, alternately lauding and condemning behavior as Christian or un-godly. In college, we used to label the things we hated capitalist, and, a generation back, facist. This is the same tactic used by institutionalized forms of brainwashing worldwide: You're either with us, or against us. It cuts independent thought dead in its tracks, and is a breeding ground for dogmatism. When most people say they don't like feminists, what they're talking about is dogmatic feminists. Dogma is what happens when a belief system can no longer inspire devotion on its own merits.

We have the vote and I'm grateful. I'm glad we, women, gained the power to vote in our own best interests, to educate ourselves, and to fight for what we believe, in and out of the home. I'm even somewhat grateful to second-wave feminists for normalizing women like me. I'd probably still be in a mental hospital if it weren't for them. But the major battles are over now. The issues that remain should be looked at as social issues, not women's issues, and I'm talking about rape and abortion laws, gender education in and out of the classroom, and equal wages for equal work, among other things. Everyone benefits by addressing these things--and they should be addressed--but to continue to parade them under the "feminist" banner is to shoot human rights in the foot. Feminism has spent the last few decades alienating people with its dogmatism and its historic inability to reconcile itself with a multicultural world. These issues need to be addressed as social problems, under a new banner, so that everyone can feel welcome to the discussion.

4. IN CONCLUSION (until someone kicks my teeth in, anyway...)

I don't support the defunct and potentially destructive feminist label out of self-respect. Feminism doesn't appear to be meaningful on its own terms, and those who get attached to the label are vulnerable to dogmatism. I'd rather try to think independently, and fuck up the world on my own responsibility. Luckily, individual women have had self-respect and the ability to fuck up the world since long before feminism came along, and they'll still have it once it's finished killing itself off. I bet you can think of the reason why, too...


(hint: the answer's on a t-shirt.)

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jarsofwind

I wasn't going to try this, but...

from: [info]jarsofwind
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 05:27 pm (UTC)
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I'm a feminist. You know that much already because you've known me for a long time. But for me, it means something a little different.

I agree - the way you've described "feminism," it is a defunct and potentially destructive label. The one I'd still hold onto is the notion that feminism is the right to make choices, but yes, that is a civil or human right. I'm a feminist anyway.

I'm a feminist because I believe in revising the historical narrative that has largely ignored or misrepresented women and other subaltern groups. While I acknowledge that I could do just as well to rework that historical narrative to include these other subaltern groups, I am aware that I am only one person taking on a couple of graduate degrees, and I can't pretend I can rewrite the histories of everyone, let alone the histories of women. But I can revise the way we view gender roles in early America if I write about it and teach history differently than it was taught to me. This doesn't necessarily mean placing women in the center of the historical narrative - but it can mean shifting the focus slightly and looking at aspects of life that have been forsaken for the "real" histories of supposedly male-dominated politics and governments. Additionally, I make an effort to explain that I'm a gender historian, as opposed to a women's historian - it means I look at relationships instead of one group or another.

On another note, I am also a feminist because whether or not I feel like I have the right to make choices, there are still people out there who, while they would never claim to be sexist, still engage in sexist behaviors without necessarily realizing it. For example: http://quixote322.livejournal.com/457416.html
Also:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070112/ap_on_re_us/take_my_wife_s_name
In CA, a man who wants to take his wife's name "must file a petition, pay more than $300, place a public notice for weeks in a local newspaper and then appear before a judge." It's not even close to as complicated or costly for a woman to take her husband's name. Why?
I mean, it seems like it's silly or pointless, but when you think about it...why?

I'm not trying to "turn you into a feminist" or asking you to embrace a label, but I am wondering if this at least provided a different perspective. Let me know...

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Leafy

You know I always like to hear your opinion, H...

from: [info]wonderleafy
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 05:58 pm (UTC)
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Actually, in my original (and much more inflammatory draft), I included the caveat in my "feminism is useless" statements, "except to people still in university." You and I both know that's not a compliment. University is its own special reality, and a great many passions and causes are artificially constructed in an effort to find something unique to care about for one's thesis.

Now, I happen to actually think your goal is a genuinely laudable one. Rewriting history with a stronger sense of the women involved could very well change the way young women see their very personhoods and potential. But I wonder if using the label "feminist" may not hamper you and your worthy goal later. UCSC is still proud to be feminist, but large swaths of academia (not to mention the business and civilian worlds at large), are not. You can keep the label, but you may very well find yourself stuck in a really dumb argument about authorial bias when pitching some textbook to publishers.

My major problem with feminists and feminism is that they have so many goals I support, but clinging to what I can only see as an unnecessary label causes them to hamper the very causes they undertake.

What do you think?

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jarsofwind

Re: You know I always like to hear your opinion, H...

from: [info]jarsofwind
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 06:21 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for hearing me out. I knew you would.

My major problem with feminists and feminism is that they have so many goals I support, but clinging to what I can only see as an unnecessary label causes them to hamper the very causes they undertake.

This may be true, but I have to wonder why. Does it hamper the causes I undertake because it's threatening? Does it hamper the causes I undertake because reversing gender roles is too weird? Does it hamper these causes because people still largely think feminists are man-hating hairy-legged lesbians? I'm a feminist, and I'm none of these things...though I guess my legs could use a shaving, now that I think about it, haha. Anyway, my point is that these are just cultural biases that have, over time, attached themselves to the word "feminist," just like cultural biases attach themselves to the words "male" or "female" or "academic" or "cat person" or anything else, really...so...
Why refuse feminisms just because others have infused the term with negative baggage? It could hamper my goals, but I don't think it should, and I think the fact that it might hamper my goals indicates that many people still harbor unnecessary fear...or something else...when it comes to these causes themselves. Does that make sense?

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Leafy

Re: You know I always like to hear your opinion, H...

from: [info]wonderleafy
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 06:35 pm (UTC)
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I understand the urge to say, "I WILL REIFY THIS TERM WITH THE POWER OF MY OWN AWESOMENESS." Believe me, I'm EASILY that conceited. But then I look at Christians, and I see that not now or ever will the moderate Christians be the ones getting media time. It'll always be the anti-abortionists, or the Fred Phelpses. They're just more interesting, because they engage our emotional whiplash response. So even though I like some things about Christianity, even when I was still a deist I wouldn't call myself that, even to redeem the term, because I knew it was a losing battle, and it could easily take me and my potential down with it.

I'm guess I'm just more interested in revolutionizing the future than redeeming the past. Perhaps that's the fundamental difference between us? Would you say that's true?

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jarsofwind

Re: You know I always like to hear your opinion, H...

from: [info]jarsofwind
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 07:04 pm (UTC)
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Hmm, yeah, that makes sense. I'm all about the past - I'm training to be a historian, after all. Still, I'm not sure I see it as redeeming the past instead of revolutionizing the future - it could be both, because using an old term in a new way is revolutionary in a different sense. I definitely know what you mean about getting media time though - that frustrates me to no end, and it makes me want to make sure I'm writing gender history that's accessible to the public as well as the universe-city, because I am also easily that conceited.

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Leafy

Re: You know I always like to hear your opinion, H...

from: [info]wonderleafy
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 07:15 pm (UTC)
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You're also Jewish, and my experience (correct me if I'm perpetuating a BIG FAT STEREOTYPE) is that Jews tend to have a much keener sense of their own history, and the importance of history.

I'm just a mutt. I got nothing to look back on. Wish I did, though.

It's the Orwell thing, right? He who controls the past controls the future? Again, I think you're doing the right thing by teasing greater truth out of the past... hopefully that WILL change the future. But I do suspect that "feminism," like "suffragette," is a term that must be now relinquished TO the past, (however history redeems it), in order to make room for the future.

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jarsofwind

Re: You know I always like to hear your opinion, H...

from: [info]jarsofwind
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 08:59 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, that would be perpetuating a big fat stereotype, but it's mostly accurate, so I won't complain.

I can see how you would want to relegate "feminism" to the past, like "suffragette," and I think I would welcome a new term if one arose, to an extent. We say "first wave, second wave, and third wave" feminisms so we can mark the changes in feminist thinking over time, and that helps, but it's largely an academic thing...which means it doesn't help that much.
There is a current academic movement that is starting to treat feminism as a type of intellectual history. You can study Feminism the way you'd study Modernism or Romanticism or Postmodernism or any other intellectual movement. This historicizes it to an extent - placing it in the past, as you suggested. But just as I can still do a modernist reading of a text, I can do a feminist reading of a text...

In any case, like I said, if another term presents itself, and that term still encompasses the same goals and ideologies I support whole-heartedly, I'd probably use it. But for now, I'll stick with it, be open to change, and see what happens.

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Leafy

Re: You know I always like to hear your opinion, H...

from: [info]wonderleafy
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 09:09 pm (UTC)
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YOU SHOULD MAKE ONE UP!!

I smell a thesis...

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jarsofwind

Re: You know I always like to hear your opinion, H...

from: [info]jarsofwind
date: Jan. 15th, 2007 10:45 pm (UTC)
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Hah! I'll get right on that...

Meanwhile, read the essay I'm about to send you via e-mail. It's 23 pages, but well worth the read. It's by Joan Scott, who is a genius.

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